FD with a 4.1 liter

[SeeAreX]

http://i8.ebayimg.com/06/i/000/ae/f8/4b66_3.JPG

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/FD-Mazda-RX-7-w-Grand-National-Turbo-Engine-621HP-FAST_W0QQitemZ280142222530QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item 280142222530

This just seems like such an odd swap to me.

[ben0686]

You're right...it's an odd swap. It would be a nearly perfect car if it was a manual transmission and had the rotary engine.

[five seven]

poor car!

[ALL UC2]

grand national motors are the ....!!! all the import guys should like this swap. that swap is kind rare, but they put turboed ls1's in them. v8 swaps are pretty common. plus parts are alot cheaper for a gn motor and ls1s than a rotary.


fd's are sweet as .... no matter what motor they have in them.

[SeeAreX]

You're right...it's an odd swap. It would be a nearly perfect car if it was a manual transmission and had the rotary engine.

Yep...now all you can do with it is go in a straight line. Waste of an FD!

[Bowtie]

Yep...now all you can do with it is go in a straight line. Waste of an FD!
Better than chasing your tail around a track. i know where my fifnish line is;) :)

[ben0686]

all the import guys should like this swap. that swap is kind rare, but they put turboed ls1's in them. v8 swaps are pretty common. plus parts are alot cheaper for a gn motor and ls1s than a rotary.


fd's are sweet as .... no matter what motor they have in them.

I'm not an import guy but I do like them. I also love RX-7's. And I HATE the LS swaps as much as I hate this one.

Don't get me wrong...I have tons of respect for the person that came up with the idea to do this and whoever did it because it's a nice clean job, but the FD is a beautiful machine to begin with and it makes me cringe to see somebody to that. It's not like you see an FD on every street corner.

And I agree with the last statement...FDs are the .... regardless. I'd just prefer one with the rotary.

[matt//]

I would love to have an FD but I really don't like the LS-X and such swaps in em. I mean, I've seen some I like.. but its rare.. for an FD pretty much the Rotary and thats it.

Even though, someone posted up on here not too long ago, I believe, a swap of an RB26 into one.. it was clean.... and soooo bad.

I want one. lol

[SeeAreX]

Better than chasing your tail around a track. i know where my fifnish line is;) :)

Some vehicles are made for drag racing, some vehicles are made to handle well. The RX7 is not the best straight line car, much more suited for turning left.............................................. ...........and right.

[five seven]

Some vehicles are made for drag racing, some vehicles are made to handle well. The RX7 is not the best sraight line car, much more suited for turning left.............................................. ...........and right.

hahahahah YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

using your steering wheel to turn both ways FTMFW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[matt//]

RX-7's are great for handling.. but you can still get some insane power to the wheels to get a good ET in on a 1/8th or 1/4th.

If I could find one in my price range (not much atm... ). I'd pick one up for sure.

[jonyb]

So who has the badass silver 93ish RX7 that I've spotted in Lone Oak several times?

[matt//]

So who has the badass silver 93ish RX7 that I've spotted in Lone Oak several times?

No idea.. they live behind Lone Oak Highschool... just remember seeing the car parked there a few times on my way to the ball fields.

All I really wanna know is who as the black Supra with Marshall Co. tagged plates that I had pass me the other day.... only .... thing I heard was the spool and an insanely loud blowoff. Everytime I'm in or near Marshall I always look for it.. no luck so far.

[TwistedGA]

So who has the badass silver 93ish RX7 that I've spotted in Lone Oak several times?

I was told by someone who actually got the chance to talk to them at the gas station, they are said to be crazy looking methheads that got the car on ebay for 7k, It's a 6spd TT taboot... It's hearsay but from someone I trust pretty well... :)

[E-brakeMACHINE]

also, who is the old man with the red one in paducah? ive seen it numerous times and immediately get overwhelmed with jealousy.

[boosted01]

theres a red one driven by an old man and woman about once a century around paducah. its a 93 r series if i remember correctly

[junkman]

Yep...now all you can do with it is go in a straight line. Waste of an FD!


to a former ls rx-7 builder, please expound upon how it is no longer a handler and only good for straight line.

[TyreeZtt]

Thats just weird.

[destructn]

I was told by someone who actually got the chance to talk to them at the gas station, they are said to be crazy looking methheads that got the car on ebay for 7k, It's a 6spd TT taboot... It's hearsay but from someone I trust pretty well... :)


LMAO!! this must be the rx that has been coming to benton the last couple of weeks... silver with body kit.. supposedly built by pettit racing... best pass is a 9.3

[SeeAreX]

to a former ls rx-7 builder, please expound upon how it is no longer a handler and only good for straight line.

Well, I think what a said a few posts later recapitulates it better. Some vehicles are made for drag racing, some vehicles are made to handle well. The RX7 is not the best straight line car, much more suited for turning left.............................................. ...........and right.

That opinion along with the vox pop that the only engine that needs to be in an RX7 chasis is a rotary, is just staying true to RX7 roots.

[TwistedGA]

to a former ls rx-7 builder, please expound upon how it is no longer a handler and only good for straight line.


Didn't you know every road in the world was straight until Honda released their I4? Thought everyone knew that... :D

Adding 200lbs to the front end doesn't hurt .... if you do it right... :cool:

GT55 ftw! - http://www.artmorrison.com/video/index.php?video=full.wmv :cool:

[SeeAreX]

Why am I repeating myself? I said the RX7, along with...........lets say Civics are better suited for taking turns rather than going straight. Not that they can't be built for the puposes of during either, but just what both Mazda and Honda have roots in and seem to best at with the fewest modifications. ...., thinking about it, we should just use our Civics for daily commuting, to get good fuel mileage and to be reliable.

[turbo86]

Nothing odd about this swap at all. I have seen several Grand National motors in RX-7s, a few were completley setup for drag racing and the others for anything. The 4.1 was orginally a 3.8, until it was bored. I really hate seeing ignorance on this. Why do you think that putting any certain motor in a car, limits it to either straight line or curves, unless of course the motor in question is a huge Big Block cast in Iron??? This car looks to be well stanced, and probably eat the curves up, because the LC2 3.8 GN motors were not weighty like you think. My old stock Grand National would run 8.8 in the 1/8 mile and it weighed nearly 3800lbs,,, just imagine what this motor will do in this car.... to bad I don't have money to blow, I would buy this thing... Rotary engines are not well noted for there reliability either....

[junkman]

I guess I am still not getting it, yes, the car may have been designed as a handler, this I know. In you early comments, you seem to think swapping a different power plant in kills the handling, or what the car was built to do. This is what I would like you to elaborate on.



Thanks turbo, thats what I was trying to get at while you were typing too I guess!

[TwistedGA]

Why am I repeating myself? I said the RX7, along with...........lets say Civics are better suited for taking turns rather than going straight. Not that they can't be built for the puposes of during either, but just what both Mazda and Honda have roots in and seem to best at with the fewest modifications. ...., thinking about it, we should just use our Civics for daily commuting, to get good fuel mileage and to be reliable.


I was just twisted nipples man, no pun was intended by it. I just get tired of reading not only on these boards but many others about how certain cars can only perform in certain areas of the racing world. Like I've said countless times, all cars are junk for racing until you build them... As far as the roots thing goes, I understand completely, and if Mazda made a v8, it would be better suited for the RX than any GM LS-X... But I still appreciate those who break down barriers to work towards a well balanced car. :)

[TwistedGA]

I guess I am still not getting it, yes, the car may have been designed as a handler, this I know. In you early comments, you seem to think swapping a different power plant in kills the handling, or what the car was built to do. This is what I would like you to elaborate on.


Ever since I can remember, I have been seeing people with 240's that truely belive that adding the extra 125ish pounds of a RB series motor destroys the weight balance of the car...Also stating it's completely unfixable... :rolleyes:
I feel a lot of people think this way because they have been falsly informed for so long...

[SeeAreX]

I really hate seeing ignorance on this. Why do you think that putting any certain motor in a car, limits it to either straight line or curves, unless of course the motor in question is a huge Big Block cast in Iron??? ... Rotary engines are not well noted for there reliability either....

I was specifically talking about the 4.1 and the set-up he had, compared to the original 13B. Not that I don't hold the same opinions for other swaps as well. I also stated that it makes it more suitable, not eliminated. I was trying to clear that up since I did insinuate that in a previous post.

Putting any certain motor in a car, doesn't always alter its original abilities. However, alot of swaps do and require modifications and upgrades to regain said characteristics. Alot of work to reclaim intial qualities would seem like too much work for my taste. My original statement about the FD being a waste because it hugged a 4.1 liter was an overstatement, but what I would want an FD for, that particular RX7 would not suit me. Especially, since that particular FD had a great amount of horsepower and would be unbalanced. Not that you can't use alot of horsepower, but like what i said before, more work be needed. More work to be able to use that power properly. When building any car, especially ones for attacking curves, a balance among vehicle attributes is key.

[SeeAreX]

I wouldn't even want that RX7 if it was stock, it's a freakin' automatic!

[skylinesx]

Some vehicles are made for drag racing, some vehicles are made to handle well. The RX7 is not the best straight line car, much more suited for turning left.............................................. ...........and right.

glad u thre the AAAAND right in there...odd swap though def.

[skylinesx]

Ever since I can remember, I have been seeing people with 240's that truely belive that adding the extra 125ish pounds of a RB series motor destroys the weight balance of the car...Also stating it's completely unfixable... :rolleyes:
I feel a lot of people think this way because they have been falsly informed for so long...

i was under the impression my car would handle alot differently with the rb in it, however you dont notice it really, doesnt cause anymore over/understeer then it already had with the KA in it

[turbo86]

Regardless, this thing will blow the doors off most stuff on the street.... I would say it's handling has been hardly effected by the swap, considering the closeness in weight between the two engines, hell, even the owner said it had not been messed up because of the swap, and I would say he has a great deal more knowledge on it than we do. I guess it all comes down to taste... The Boosted 4.1 (orig a 3.8) is an excellent motor is all aspects and was built to last. I would rather have a little more on the straights, than in the corners... considering West Ky only has 1/8 & 1/4 mile tracks....

[ALL UC2]

to a former ls rx-7 builder, please expound upon how it is no longer a handler and only good for straight line.



well, all i know is i rode in that car and it was hard to keep it in a straight line!!!! that car loved to go left then right then left then right.............then about 5th gear it would go straight!!!!!


i would bet that a ls1 would weigh in about 50lbs + or - of a tt wankle. im sure junkman knows the answer to this. maybe he will chime in. more hp and ALOT more torque for maybe 50lbs?? yeah i will take that.

[dolphinmaxx]

3 pages of bickering in come the rotary fanatic...

50-200lbs is small. For a 2200lb car it is alot, but still. Most people wont notice cause they are to shock and awed by the extra power. I would notice.. Of course I am the guy that can make s2000's one of the most tail happy RWD cars understeer horribly. RX7's can do straight line. They are a great all around car imo. A true japanese super car. That said the rx namesake comes from the rotary. The car was built around the engine. From a historical view to put a piston engine in it is to go against it's very namesake. That still won't matter to most.

Hell the extra power from a V8 or this turbo V6(I think) probably makes it get around a roadcourse faster. I am willing to bet that for people like me, where what matters most is the apex and the perfect execution of a turn at whatever speed or limit of the car you are at, the piston engine will steal some of the charm. The charm of that smooth power and seemingly endless RPM cap.

Despite the impressive engineering that goes in to swaps of any kind on any chassis. There will always be a few zen like guys out there like me to say it ....s up the car no matter how much faster the numbers are. Simply because to us there is more to driving than how hard you can throw yourself around. So in the end no matter what you say you will never convince me that any other engine belongs in an rx7 than a rotary.

[cerevo]

3 pages of bickering in come the rotary fanatic...

50-200lbs is small. For a 2200lb car it is alot, but still. Most people wont notice cause they are to shock and awed by the extra power. I would notice.. Of course I am the guy that can make s2000's one of the most tail happy RWD cars understeer horribly. RX7's can do straight line. They are a great all around car imo. A true japanese super car. That said the rx namesake comes from the rotary. The car was built around the engine. From a historical view to put a piston engine in it is to go against it's very namesake. That still won't matter to most.

Hell the extra power from a V8 or this turbo V6(I think) probably makes it get around a roadcourse faster. I am willing to bet that for people like me, where what matters most is the apex and the perfect execution of a turn at whatever speed or limit of the car you are at, the piston engine will steal some of the charm. The charm of that smooth power and seemingly endless RPM cap.

Despite the impressive engineering that goes in to swaps of any kind on any chassis. There will always be a few zen like guys out there like me to say it ....s up the car no matter how much faster the numbers are. Simply because to us there is more to driving than how hard you can throw yourself around. So in the end no matter what you say you will never convince me that any other engine belongs in an rx7 than a rotary.


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welcome to wkydomestics my friend

[jonyb]

You guys can argue about anything.... Who ....in cares?

[skylinesx]

also, who is the old man with the red one in paducah? ive seen it numerous times and immediately get overwhelmed with jealousy.

i c that car on my way home from work like every day lives off of cairo road i believe...

[cuzican]

I guess I am blind because I don't see roadcourses and dragstrips everywhere. I guess every person on this board uses public transportation, never drives their personal race car (whether it be a stock cr-x, a 240, Mustang, or an rx-7) anywhere but on the track. You people need to realize that not every car owner in the world cares about how well it corners or how fast it is.

I bet this guy is getting the exact kind of attention he was wanting when he built this car.

I also bet that if of you guys that are talking .... about this car were to see it in person you would probably kiss ... to him about how cool it is.

[ben0686]

That said the rx namesake comes from the rotary. The car was built around the engine. From a historical view to put a piston engine in it is to go against it's very namesake. That still won't matter to most. So in the end no matter what you say you will never convince me that any other engine belongs in an rx7 than a rotary.

My point exactly...I don't care how it performs, one of the main reasons I like the RX-7 is because of the rotary. Nothing but personal opinion. This guy wanted to do something different...more power to him. I'm not going to buy the car though.

[boosted01]

wtb rotary 4 scooter

[jonyb]

I guess I am blind because I don't see roadcourses and dragstrips everywhere. I guess every person on this board uses public transportation, never drives their personal race car (whether it be a stock cr-x, a 240, Mustang, or an rx-7) anywhere but on the track. You people need to realize that not every car owner in the world cares about how well it corners or how fast it is.

Yeah, like snyder's car that's sooooo slow now since he put aftermarket wheels on it.

Or your brother's car that's no good now because it's got a different motor so that makes it ....ty for the corners

/sarcasm :rolleyes:

The funny thing is that most of the people that do actually race they're cars, use them also as they're main mode of transportation. Soooo what happens when you go to a track and race it (whether it's in a straight line or in the corners) and the .... breaks? Have fun getting that ..... home and finding a ride to work the next day!!!!

[Amagine]

werd....

[turbo86]

Interesting how all these point of views, no matter how un-related, came out of this post about a guy putting a Buick Grand National motor in a RX-7......?

[dolphinmaxx]

Yeah, like snyder's car that's sooooo slow now since he put aftermarket wheels on it.

Or your brother's car that's no good now because it's got a different motor so that makes it ....ty for the corners

/sarcasm :rolleyes:

The funny thing is that most of the people that do actually race they're cars, use them also as they're main mode of transportation. Soooo what happens when you go to a track and race it (whether it's in a straight line or in the corners) and the .... breaks? Have fun getting that ..... home and finding a ride to work the next day!!!!


I am truly sorry that people do not know how to take negative comments. Actualy oddly enough it usualy seems to be third parties that are not affected by them that get hurt the worst.

I do race my car, and I do use it as transportation. There is a reason I don't drag race the S2k, it's slow at the strip and too much .... has a chance of breaking. At an autocross or a roadcourse I can drive it so that I don't break it. Cause I actualy fix things before they break most of the time...

[hatchguy]

you have truly convinced me that even if a car has more power and better track times it doesnt matter. what matters most is the apex and the perfect execution of a turn at whatever speed or limit of the car you are at. So im not a pro like you but ummmm if a car has better track times hmmmm wouldnt it have made better execution of a turn.

[TwistedGA]

lawl.. (http://adurah.com/img/hp6_spoilers.jpg)

[dolphinmaxx]

you have truly convinced me that even if a car has more power and better track times it doesnt matter. what matters most is the apex and the perfect execution of a turn at whatever speed or limit of the car you are at. So im not a pro like you but ummmm if a car has better track times hmmmm wouldnt it have made better execution of a turn.

Not really. If there are enough straights long enough to dig in to the engine the higher hp car can win on straights alone to an extent. If all you care about is having the fastest car you are going to be a verry sad person for the rest of your life. Finding a car you love to drive is mroe important imo. I enjoy driving low tourqe cars. If I wanted a big engine I would have bought a 350z or a corvette. not go get the s2k anyway and throw a big engine in it. Sure I think it would be fun to cram it in there, but I pefer the car the way it is.

[dolphinmaxx]

lawl.. (http://adurah.com/img/hp6_spoilers.jpg)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

It's like kareoke.

[turbo86]

[quote=dolphinmaxx]If all you care about is having the fastest car you are going to be a verry sad person for the rest of your life. Finding a car you love to drive is mroe important imo. [quote]


Good Grief........ I guess I am a mixed up person then, I am both SAD, and Love my RideS.... as in driving them, etc.....

How else can it be said....

Different Strokes for Different Folks....:rolleyes:

Respect can be found in both Discplines.... nuff said

[TwistedGA]

....s great...it's got my ... on four occasions today alone lmfao...

[rick]

why does everyone get so upset about people doing what they want to do with their cars? if I saw this dude in person, he'd get both of my thumbs up. If for nothing else, it would be because he spent all that time and energy and money wrenching on this beast until that GNs engine cranked up and drove that FD chassis.

[Amagine]

no crap this was mildly funny 2 pages ago. Now all it's be come is dolphin and cerevo trying to make their dicks bigger by proving they are right.

jon lock it for a couple days.... maybe by that time they'll have moved over to another thread

[rick]

lawl.. (http://adurah.com/img/hp6_spoilers.jpg)
I HATE YOU FOR THAT!!!!

[TwistedGA]

I HATE YOU FOR THAT!!!!


blah, its not that bad.... btw, did justin tell you about this s13 (http://home.comcast.net/~wolfand/)?

[rick]

i hate you..

[TwistedGA]

I know... it makes me AND baby jesus cry.... :'(

[dolphinmaxx]

no crap this was mildly funny 2 pages ago. Now all it's be come is dolphin and cerevo trying to make their dicks bigger by proving they are right.

jon lock it for a couple days.... maybe by that time they'll have moved over to another thread


If you read my post way back when, you would realize (unless reading pwns you) that I never said my was was the only way. I thought I covered that. I was simply trying to state why I think the way I do about such things since none of you seem to get it. I guess I will take the onslaught there after as a jealous complement to my magnificent 1337|\|355!!!!!1!!!!!1111 and call it a day.

[mhierl]

So who has the badass silver 93ish RX7 that I've spotted in Lone Oak several times?

It's a 1995 RX7-PEP-Twin-Turbo. For more info go to

http://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?t=693005

[mhierl]

LMAO!! this must be the rx that has been coming to benton the last couple of weeks... silver with body kit.. supposedly built by pettit racing... best pass is a 9.3

We are not dragracers(as any1 at the track can confirm), but we did do a lil better the next time out. An 8.83 @ 83.98mph and 8.789 @ 84.11mph computer and suspension currently not set up for dragstrip, presently configured for street racing. This car has more performance potential than our dragracing skills can achieve, but we'll race anyone roadcoarse style. We've never drove any vehicle that even comes close to the handling and the all out acceleration of this FD!

Built by Petit Racing, as seen on their website (scroll down 5th & 6th pics)

http://www.pettitracing.com/rx7/index_turbo.htm